To Everything A Season: Turkey, Israel And The Moment Of Truth

BY RAFFI K. HOVANNISIAN

Today’s Turkey is the denialist bearer of the Ottoman execution of the great genocide and national dispossession of the Armenian people nearly a century ago.
Israel, the carrier-state of the Shoah which followed a generation later, has long been unconscionably complicit in the realpolitik relegation of the Armenian loss of life and homeland to the footnotes of inconvenient, expendable crimes against humanity.

Historically so different, the Turkish perpetrator and the Jewish victim, they have in the modern period surmounted their asymmetries to forge a strategic compact where might trumps right and the national interest, however narrow, stands uber alles.  They have grown alike.

The demeanor of state, however, has thankfully been balanced by citizens of conscience both in Turkey and the Jewish world who, in the face of self-important narratives on the Turkish nation’s infallible greatness or the Holocaust’s uniqueness, have come to grasp the imperative to face history, take responsibility, and draw the lesson of genocide’s universality.  These righteous Muslims and Jews have not yet been able to carry the day.
Instead, it is the Erdogans and Davutoglus of the neo-Ottoman variety whose duplicitous bluster is driving their jaded vision of reasserted regional hegemony and imperial relevance.  Only this time these deniers of genocide are pitching concepts of freedom, human rights, and international law to attain the depths of their purpose.

Israel’s blockade of Gaza is wrong and requires resolution.  Palestine, like Mountainous Karabagh, has earned its right of sovereign statehood.
But the essence and rhetoric of the provocation, carefully crafted in Ankara, to precipitate an Israeli action upon the flotilla betrays the true intent of Turkey’s leaders: (1) to pursue the deception of their own clout and aggrandizement at the expense of regional peace-making, (2) to mask their effective abuse, as pawns, of the very people to whom they seek to break through in the name of Islamic solidarity, and (3) comfortably to gloss over their own unlawful blockade of Armenia since 1993.

They represent a state which wiped clean an entire civilization in committing genocide against the Armenians—as well as the Assyrians, Pontic Greeks, and later the Kurds–and has not found the political courage or moral fortitude to accept, atone and make just restitution for it.  They represent a state which, far from seeking redemption and true conciliation, has brought its embargos and other crimes of war to the remnant Armenian republic that miraculously survived the genocide.  They represent a state which was formed on the forcible exclusion of the Armenians from their ancestral patrimony and which today outlaws any mention of genocide and condemns to a deep-state death those who, like Hrant Dink, seek peace and closure through veritas.
And now, as these “moderate Islamists”-turned-tyrants turn to jockeying with Israel for their own designs and the tallying of petty points, the question has been begged.

In Jewish circles and beyond, the collective conscience is being refreshed and appears gradually to be climbing out of Orwell’s memory hole.  People are beginning to confess their recollection of Turkey’s genocidal record. In terms of paradigms and shifts, this is welcome news:  In every evil there is a good, the Armenian proverb goes.

But for this seminal case to close circle in full reconciliation with history, its reason must be whole, its realization cathartic.

The Armenian genocide in the century past and the security of the survivor state with its capital here must never ever be allowed to become a political football for selective use by two erstwhile allies to sort out their relations and the contents of their closets.

The people of Turkey would do well to rein in, and then reverse, their two-talking thrillseekers, whose contemporary policies are the direct inheritance of Talaat, Enver, and Jemal, the Young Turk triumvirate which masterminded the genocide and the ultimate occupation of the Armenian Plateau.  But that’s really up to them.

As for the United States, Europe, and even Israel, this sordid affair might just be their penultimate chance to recognize a nation-killing by its name, to bring the perpetrating state to justice, and finally to guarantee the entitlements to restitution and reparation of the victims and their living progeny.
Not as a favor, nor an instrument of self-serving leverage.  But as a matter of truth and equity–simple, overdue, unrequited–and nothing more.

Raffi K. Hovannisian was Armenia’s first minister of foreign affairs and currently represents the Heritage party in Parliament

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39 Comments

  1. john papazian said:

    Some good points and a good read.Only if the political landscape in the middle east changes or the Turks miraculously come to thier sences,will peace and justice be known.As far as Isreal is concerned,they are to terrorism the same as prohibition was to organized crime.

  2. eddy said:

    This article was first published in “Washington Times” – The article of Rafi is” balanced” BUT STILL DO NOT FORGET “WASHINGTON POST” often is read as hürriyet – At least it was the case till 2 months ago…

  3. Gelat said:

    I cant understand why 90 percent of news on Armenain newspapers are dedicated to Turks?Instead of cursing,accusing,blaming just try to find solution.Instead of debating “genocide” in Romanian,USA,Argentinan,Lebanese etc. parliaments,try to discuss with Turkey herself.(“we are mongolians and brainwashed anyway you cant reach any result!!”).Enough is enough,even if entire world is your friend(recognized “genocide”),as long as your nieghbors are your enemies,you are commiting suicide against yourselves.

  4. john papazian said:

    Galet you are a retard.Iran is not my ememy,Georgia(not the state Galet)is not my enemy,and the Turk is not my enemy.I can’t understand why the Turk is so affraid of history,but thats the way of the Turk I supose.

  5. Edward said:

    Dear Gelat -oglu, there are lots of things you will never understand,because you are paid not to understand them-you are a cheap low-ranking government stooge out of the pages of Orwell.In order to understand things you must have a brain-and you dont have at all as yer half-witted cheap propaganda proves.You cant be brainwashed,dear Gelat,because you dont have a brain,&the turks are not mongols-they were driven out of their caves in Mongolia because of the pungent stench coming out of their huts.Gelat you stupid morron,if you want anybody to believe the crap you vomit you must pay a lot of hush money your PEZEVENK joke of a state pays every day to faggots like you to talk turkey-do you know where the expression comes from??From cheap jerks like you selling their pitiful joke of a soul for eternal hell.We dont blame you, dear Gelat,you genius of turkish intelligence shining brightly on the web pages of dashnak terrorist web sites.Meanwhile dearest dudu Gelat djan would you translate for our benefit the meaning of yer name in english?Yes? Thank you my sweet anoush aboush.

  6. Gelat said:

    Edward my name is Sevda,i am 21 yeasr of turkish girl currently living in LA…and you know meaning of my name.
    whenever i read your comments,it makes me laugh…because you dont know how to discuss any topic,you dont know anything but cursing. Keep going,keep make me laugh,i am your biggest fun.

  7. RRR said:

    Gelat,

    I think Edward was right on point in his description of you. You are worthy of disdain.

  8. Gelat said:

    i just opened fbook account,no any friends,i hope Edward will add me and become my first Ermeni friend..and i can teach you why “genocide” didnt happend.ecostar2003@yahoo.com search,let me tell you truth you should know.

  9. eddy said:

    Dear Gala,

    These are not Armenians who have passed laws in Turkey to criminalize and punish all those courageous Turks who ever dear to speak the truth on Armenian Genocide. Write just a courageous letter to all criminal Turkish rules in Ankara –including to Islamic fascist Orduagn &Co. – and please demand from them to allow an honest discussion regarding systematic destruction of Armenians in there historic home land !

    Turkish government has first of all to apologize to Turkish people – to Turks like you- regarding lies they have told about Armenians including for denial of Armenian Genocide!

  10. Vacheh said:

    Dear Gelat,

    As an Armenian, I have no animosity towards the ordinary Turkish people. In particular in your case, you had no contribution to the Armenian Genocide. My people don’t hold the ordinary Turkish people guilty of what their ancestors did. However, the issue is with your government who is the successor of the same government who eliminated 65-70% of my people, denied their god-given right to exist, confiscated 90% of their ancestral land, and today people like Erdogan are aggressively denying it. I am yet to see an occasion where he wouldn’t insult us.

    Every nation has to look at its past with justice and speak of bloody pages of its history. Germans did it and they should be an example for your people and your government. You are a 21-year old Turkish lady, perhaps studying or working in L.A., enjoying your time. I wish you success in your life (both in your career and in your family), but I also had tens of thousands of my Armenian 21-year old girls like you who were raped, treated in a sub-human manner, tortured in Syrian deserts, and eventually killed one way or another. I speak for the rights of my fellow 21 year old young girls whose rights were taken away by your government. What would you do if a strong hand eliminates 65% of your people today and drives the rest of you out of 90% of your land.

    Please watch this short video clip and visit the UCLA library. You shall be able to easily find books written about what your Ottoman government did to us.

    http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/watch/player.html?pkg=rc74turkey&seg=1&mod=0

  11. hovo said:

    Gelat, Gelat, Gelat… Only Gelat… Do we have anything else to discuss? She doesn’t understand anything. Let’s leave her alone, just ignore her! Dushman Gelat I told you don’t fuck with us. We can have a discussion only when you accept genocide or our race murder. You know well that the absence of evidence it is not the evidence of absence. I told you that nobility of the cause doesn’t justify genocide. You know why we can not take your goverment to international court, you know soverign states rights. You know that their is no international enforcement of the court decisions. You know that the genocide masterminds had been convicted in Tribunal by your goverment. You know well that Ataturk kidnapped 36 british soldiers and then exchanged them with mass killers. Be shameful when you claimed that you are a turk, your history owen us. So sigtir ara…

  12. Norin Radd said:

    Welcome to Los Angeles Gelat or Sevda, or whatever your mongol name is. Just make sure you behave yourself around Armenians, you’re not in Constantinople anymore. Hopefully now that you are outside of Turkey and you don’t have the Turkish Article 310 to worry about “insulting Turkishness” (whatever that means), you can learn how to become a civilized human being instead of an inbred backward leftover of the mongo’ls seeds.

    You’ve had brainwashed “Turkish” education so far, now that you are in the civilized world, you will get a real education on the history of your people during WW I. And don’t worry, we won’t murder you the way your government murdered Hrant Dink for telling the truth, this isn’t Turkey, now you’re in a civilized society little Turk.

  13. Gelat said:

    Hovo i bet as long as majority of Armenian nation are like you,the border will be closed 20 more years,Krabakh conflict will not be resolved and we will see Armenians will be still pushing American president to recognize ”genocide”(2030)…i wish entire world recoginze “genocide” then lets see what is gonna happen..
    Vacheh,then lets find out what leaded genocide to occur?it occured because you are armenians?because you are christians?if yes why Ottomans waited 500 years to massacre Armenians?As you know Armenians were named “sadig-i milliye”;loyal nation..500 years you stayed loyal to empire then what happened you were killed?..

  14. Hratch said:

    Please all be mature and stop feeding fuel to the fire. You are all giving Gelat a forum by replying. The best thing is to overlook and ignore her comments.

  15. jarbigara said:

    well young girl or lady gelat. there are many site that you can go and find out yourself if you and people like you realy want to know why. just remember turk also killed armenian. who were in turkish army and fighting agains french and england and many other country. why turks killed there own Armenian solders while there were serving there own country turky . it just tells you what kind of goverment turk were and is. and there are many Turkish scholars’ who believe that was a genocide and they are much smarter and educated then you . maybe you should ask them at least you it came from turks mouth maybe then senile like you will belive and understand.

  16. Vacheh said:

    Dear Gelat or Sevda,

    Thank you for your comments. Let me first ask the commentators on this page to avoid using inappropriate language.

    Here is my response to your points.

    Based on Eurpopean census of Ottoman Empire, the population of the entire Empire was 12 million in 1915. The population of the Armenian citizens of Ottoman Empire was 2.3 million at that time (20% of the overall population). From 2.3 million, 1.5 million were killed during April-October of 1915. Around 300,000 managed to survive by self defense (city of Van and surronding areas). Later on in early 1916 they moved to the present day Armenia. The remainder of the survivors (around 400,000) were spread in Arabic countries (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, Eqypt, Kuwait) and in Euorpean countries like France, UK, Greece, Bulgaria, Poland, Cyprus, and also in U.S.

    It is the obligation of each government to protect its citizens. Your government headed by Taaleat Pasha, Enver Pasha, Jemal Pasha, and Saed Halim Pasha, not only did not do so, but deliberately planned and executed the anihilation of Armenian citizens of Ottoman Empire. The killing of women, children, and elderly people is not the sign of an “sadig-i milliye” or loyal nation. Where were the loyaltiy of your policemen, military agents, and the accompanying criminals who were released from jails to attack and kill Armenian girls, women, cildren ans disabled people, upon moving a few kilometers outside their villages or cities.

    You claim that why it took 500 years for Ottomans to decide to kill Armenians. Armenians were living in Eastern Anatolia since 2500-3000 years ago, well before the eastablishment of Ottoman Empire around 1340s. The primary reason for Armenian Genocide was the idea of Pan-Turkism, as it evolved in late 1800s and reached to its peak during the period of 1908-1919 (Government of Young Turks, Ittihaad and Taraghi Party). A part of that was due to decline of the Ottoman Empire and its defeat and removal from Europe. Religon was a small element in those atrocities. The Ottoman eyes were to east towards reunification with Turkic people of Cacauses and Central Asia. Armenians were an impediment on the way.

    Did you watch the video clip? Do you think it was all lie? Here are two more video clips to watch.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-335857292932517366
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8dMMifzzdo

    Regarding the border between Armenia and Turkey: As long as Turkish government has not recognized the Armenian Genocide, I will be very glad to see the border closed for as long as possible, because there will be less harm from your government to whatever is left from my ancestral homeland.

  17. Samvel said:

    Gelat, little bit about history…
    For 1000s of years empires form their statehood based on taxes only. After the French revolution understanding of national statehood came to circulation…
    Look to today’s Germany! It was consolidated under the national unity only in 19th century. Ottoman Empire was an empire for more than 100 nations and starting from 18-19th centuries, one by one, most of these nations formed their national statehoods from Greece to morocco from Bulgaria to Arab emirates. However Turks could not accept the same outcome for Armenians. Turks needed Armenians’ land so, they kill them, the turks, not turkish state. The role of the newly declared Turkish state was to fabricate hate toward Armenians and they succeeded. Personally I don’t see difference between you and your ancestors.
    This was just one point from your set of bullsh!ts, briefly…

  18. eddy said:

    To Turkish racists and fascists

    This is not the duty of Armenian Diaspora and Armenia to convince every single brainwashed Turkish nationalist and Turkish fascist that Armenian genocide did happen. Go change first of all your mentality and come back …

    Turks are occupiers and settlers/new comers in so called “Anatolia” ..If Turks don’t like Armenia as there neighbour let hem go back to there historic home land in central Asia /china to your lovely “Turkistan” – where a part of human being first learned to have sex with wolves/animals

  19. Barkev Asadourian said:

    Gelat, you are suffering DEFECTS MENTALY DISSISES,
    coze you can’t realize the reality of fact.!!!

  20. Edward said:

    Gelat, as you are MIT-paid to give advice to armenians,let me give you some advice too.First:ask your MIT commanding officer to give you a turkish etymological dictionary and look up the meaning of the word gelat-its a very common noun and its meaning will explain your erratic behaviour in front of your MIT computer.YOU can also check the meaning of the idioms `cold turkey` and `talk turkey` as this is what you are doing.Then you can tell the bloody armenian terrorists what the dictionary says.But,please gelat,arshin mal alan,dont take these damn armenians for the half-witted illiterate morons youre used to deal with-they are not your average brainless Ali Agca types your bastard brood produces like unwanted illegitimate turkish country peasants.I have many turkish friends,I have also many jewish friends but they are not pezevenkler like you.You say you cannot understand this or that – in order to understand you must have something which comes after millions of years of evolution – its called a brain.The reverse process is called mutation & it produces bedbugs in the otherwise empty heads of MIT mutants like you.Gelat dudu are you the best MIT can offer? Shame on your superiors ,they used to produce much better parrots than you,but judging by their latest anti-jewish fiasco they have degraded to new lows of stupidty.So,gelatin gelat,go out of the lavatory of the turkish embassy in Harlem, own up -its a beautiful world out there,renounce your false prophet,repent your sins and every bloody armenian dashnak terrorist wll treat you to a cup of real raki, not the cheap self-made pigswill you brew in the basement of your embassy-we know its cheap but it causes serious brain damage even if you dont have a brain as your case proves so convincingly.

  21. Gelat said:

    i have to tell again and again to every single Armenians..
    Your great grandfathers were far from being innocent. They betrayed the nation they lived in peacefully for centuries, they backstabbed Turks by siding with Russians during WWI when Turks were at their weakest state fighting at many different fronts with multiple nations, when their resources were fully deployed. They thought that they can win, they miscalculated and suffered the consequences of breaking peace. They lost the war, losing sides of wars are not genocide victims. You cost a lot of Turks their lives as well along with yourselves, you deserved it as starters of it all, but Turks didn’t. You need to apologize, get a lesson from history, and work towards positive. You are still moving with greed and acting hostile, you will not benefit from it this time either. Change your attitudes

  22. eddy said:

    Gelat

    These are Turks – the occupiers of Armenian highl land – who betrayed Armenians and other christian folks. While promising Armenians again and again reforms the criminal Turkish rulers used the first opportunity to deport people and killed them en mass. This is not a crime when a nations demands reforms, autonomy or even independent. I we had to fallow the logic of Turks like you-, It would be justifiable if Russian would deport Chechens and annihilate them because they did receive and still receiving help form Turks? What would you call if Serbia had deported all “Albanians/Kosovars” from Kosovo and killed them en mass, because the “Kosovars –Albanians” got all kind of help form Turkey and so on–… Turks like you are just looking for justification- but nothing can justify a genocide. This is not a crime to resists occupation and an ongoing Genocide…

    Turks like you regard this a crime , when Armenians and other Christians did ask for true reforms and were not ready to fight for an Islamic pan Turkish empire and belive Turkish wrong promises of reforms and more humanrights….This were Turks who did betrayed over and over the Armenians and other Christian “subjects” …

    Go get your life… Turkish families like yours have still dead bodies in there basements and garderobes , one of reasons why Turks like you became paranoid as soon as the read somer written Armenian Genocide or West Armenia…

    Greetings from Switzerland

  23. Edward said:

    A.Hovanessian, gelat doesnt know what a pamper is,he drinks only his perspiration and he is a dead soul, dead as a doornail,and his cunt is what he does his thinking with.Lets pray hes an american citizen &pres. Obama includes him in his health-care reform plans.He`s the best example of what happens when you dont have compulsory health care insurance in the good old JewSA.

  24. Lucius said:

    Gelat: “Your great grandfathers were far from being innocent. They betrayed the nation they lived in peacefully for centuries, they backstabbed Turks by siding with Russians during WWI”

    So you’re saying that just because a people defected from a crumbling, paranoid, and tyrannous empire in search of their own national liberty and self-determination is legitimate enough a reason for them all to be slaughtered in the name of treason? You have no logical argument, missy. You’re sick (and brainwashed).

  25. Vacheh said:

    Dear Gelat or Sevda,

    Thank you for your comments. Let me first ask the commentators on this page to avoid using inappropriate language.

    Here is my response to your points.

    Based on Eurpopean census of Ottoman Empire, the population of the entire Empire was 12 million in 1915. The population of the Armenian citizens of Ottoman Empire was 2.3 million at that time (20% of the overall population). From 2.3 million, 1.5 million were killed during April-October of 1915. Around 300,000 managed to survive by self defense (city of Van and surrounding areas). Later on in early 1916 they moved to the present day Armenia. The remainder of the survivors (around 400,000) were spread in Arabic countries (Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, Egypt, Kuwait) and in European countries like France, UK, Greece, Bulgaria, Poland, Cyprus, and also in U.S.

    It is the obligation of each government to protect its citizens. Your government headed by Taaleat Pasha, Enver Pasha, Jemal Pasha, and Saed Halim Pasha, not only did not do so, but deliberately planned and executed the annihilation of Armenian citizens of Ottoman Empire. The killing of women, children, and elderly people is not the sign of a “sadig-i milliye” or loyal nation. They BETRAYED their own citizens.

    Where were the loyalty of your policemen, military agents, and the accompanying criminals who were released from jails to attack and kill Armenian girls, women, children and disabled people, upon moving a few kilometers outside their villages or cities.

    You claim that why it took 500 years for Ottomans to decide to kill Armenians. Armenians were living in Eastern Anatolia since 2500-3000 years ago, well before the establishment of Ottoman Empire around 1340s. The primary reason for Armenian Genocide was the idea of Pan-Turkism, as it evolved in late 1800s and reached to its peak during the period of 1908-1919 (Government of Young Turks, Ittihaad and Taraghi Party). A part of that was due to decline of the Ottoman Empire and its defeat and removal from Europe. Religion was a small element in those atrocities. The Ottoman eyes were to east towards reunification with Turkic people of Caucasus and Central Asia. Armenians were an impediment on the way.

    Did you watch the video clip? Do you think it was all lie? Here are two more video clips to watch.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-335857292932517366

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8dMMifzzdo

    Regarding the border between Armenia and Turkey: As long as Turkish government has not recognized the Armenian Genocide, I will be very glad to see the border closed for as long as possible, because there will be less harm from your government to whatever is left from my ancestral homeland.

    Regarding the future of the relationship between two nations, the time will come where we will speak to your government with the same language that we have spoken to Azeri goverment.

  26. john papazian said:

    Gelat,you certainly have a way with people don’t you? But still Turkey is running out of freinds and unless you plan on living under Islamic law you had better rethink your silly denials of history.Turkey is one happy fundimentalist away from falling in with the terrorist your kind use to be.

  27. Edward said:

    Vacheh,do you really think gelat is interested in your appropriate and polite explanations?The dupe`s task is to tease & provoke &it`s sad to see how so many fall into his trap and start explaining him so courteously &convincingly.Do you think he reads what you write or cares for the truth or the historical facts?He is a two-faced cheap low ranking MIT orderly whose only concern is his daily pork & raki ration and finding the appropriate bed-fellow for the night,excuse me for my inappropriate language.Lets not waste our time answering the eunuch any more!

  28. Vacheh said:

    Dear Edward,

    Gelat is a female of age 21 (according to her input). I don’t expect Gelat or people like her to change their minds. If the educated young people of Turkey think like Gelat, you can imagine what the uneducated ones should look like. Even worse, you can think of the uneducated ones 95 years ago as they should have been one degree above the animals. In any case, my point is that let us keep the high road and let us respect ourselves (i.e. the Armenian readers of such article). Let us not forget that there are Armenian females (very patriotic) who also read these pages and they post their genuine comments. Your concerns are my concerns (I can feel it from the depth of your words) and they are the concerns of many other young generation of Armenians who visit this web site to share their ideas. I learn a lot of very good points and facts by reading your and other Armenian comments. Likewise I try to share a few of my points with my fellow countrymen. I feel proud that people like you care about our homeland, our nation, the ordinary people living in Armenia and Diaspora, and the future of our national programs. Keep your pen running. I am with you. With my best regards, Vacheh.

  29. Gelat said:

    Vacheh
    You are listing a portion of the nationalities with which Turks had wars with and were victorious in the end. The casualties during war time are not called murders and atrocities and genocide, come to your senses. This was the Turkish empire we are talking about, Turkish men were at war with their women and children left behind.

    There was no planned genocide or anything, that’s just words coming out of Armenians, it’s all made up. If there was proof, your bogus genocide would have been recognized by now, not just voted by a bunch of politicians entirely relying on your lies and false propaganda. You don’t have anything but documents and photos from the war that took place.

    Pride is maintained by denial if you didn’t do the crime you are accused of. Dishonor was engraved on the forehead of your nation when you made a name of betraying and backstabbing and lying. Turks have only defended themselves and their country. You brought a war upon yourselves and lost it, you want revenge, you just can’t move on. You are trying different methods to create your greater Armenia including Mount Ararat and this is your only hope, but you really should be hopeless instead because Turks will never cave in to your baseless accusations.

  30. Hayk said:

    Hay!
    Galat do not be so proud and loud to be Turk,
    you never know what gen you have spatially if you are Turk.
    Turks are spouse to have narrow eyes, do you have Narrow eye?
    If you don’t` it means you have Armenian, Pantos Greek,Assyrian,Bosnian, or some Other gen WHO Turks killed.
    And one more Question,Why is that Turkey has So called 70million population, and they still can not Built there own nuclear plant, asking Russia or some other country to do that ? I bet You do not have brains for that.

  31. Armen said:

    Gelat,

    As I understand it, from your perspective, the MORAL and appropriate response for a desire for human rights by a minority is to slaughter the dangerous elements:

    1. Deporting 70 year old ‘terroritst’ grandmothers
    2. Murdering a 6 year old ‘rebel’ child
    3. Marching a ‘traitor’ newborn through the desert

    So, if you have a family of 10, and your brother commits any sort of crime, then the state should murder your entire family, your parents, grandparents, your children, uncles, cousins, etc. AND confiscate your house. Is that your understanding of JUSTICE and MORALITY?

    If you believe that Armenian infants and handicapped Grandmothers 400 miles from the border posed a security risk to the Ottoman Army, then you go right ahead and believe that.

    Personally, I don’t think children were killed because they were forming a rebel army and anyone who believes that is a lunatic or fanatic

    AK

  32. A. Hovanessian said:

    You are truly a brain dead imbecile who sounds like a broken record with your repetitive nonsense.

    Your origin is in the desert of Mongolia and northern China. Which nationalities waged war on your goat herding ancestral homeland that they had to defend themselves against?

    Forcing the women and children, the old and the sick over the mountains, through the deserts until they dropped dead from exhaustion or attacked and were killed by the gendarmes and criminals is called casualties of war? Then according to your twisted logic when Israel fires rockets indiscriminately into the occupied territories killing innocent people is called “collateral” damage. But then you turn around and call it a “massacre” when it suits your political ambitions.

    Donkey brain go read about the ideology of Pan-Turanism pursued by your genocidal ancestors, by the Young Turks’ Committee of Union and Progress (Ittihad ve Terakki) and then come talk about backstabbing and betrayal. Backstabbing and betrayal was when the Young Turks criminal regime was confiscating Armenian properties, dragging them to the outskirts of the towns and villages and murdering them while their fathers, sons and husbands were fighting in the Ottoman army. Stop scapegoating Armenians and other nationalities for the failed dreams of war mongering criminals Enver, Talaat and Jemal.

    Turks have only defended themselves and their country? The only country, if you can call it that, Turks ever had and can call it their country, as I mentioned earlier, is in the desert of Mongolia and northern China.

    Whatever you did to Armenians and others I wish you receive in a 1000 fold in the outmost brutal manner.

  33. Vacheh said:

    Gelat,

    I am disappointed to read your narrow-minded comments and repetition of your so-called Turkish fabricated story (betraying, etc.). Your government has cooked this flawed story to convince your uneducated and illiterate population. It is a no-brainer to us.

    Our future generations will speak in a different language. Regarding the Ararat Mountain, Kars, Ardahan, and other territories immediate to the current-day Armenia, we will get those back once your country loses its value for NATO. Karabagh should serve as a prime example to your people.

  34. Gelat said:

    Hyak
    It’s likely that any Turk has Greek or Bulgarian or Armenian blood in him, same applies for Greeks and Armenians. There were wars in that area for centuries, a lot of different races lived together and fought against eachother and all. What is your point?
    Vacheh
    You think you won Karabakh?Dont be naive,see you current situation then talk about victory(Armenia wrapped up two Turkic nations from east and west,from south Armenia attaches Iran which has 30 million Turks live and under UN sanction,if sanctions applys,it will be death for Armenia,and from North you have neighbour Georgia which was,is and will never be your reliable partner)

    This is the comment of one Armenian guy who wathced youtube video(At Turkish border, Armenian villagers eager for trade )and decided to mention the current situation in your homeland:HayaserForeveer:open borders
    OPEN IT NOW
    LET ARMENIA BREATH ONCE AGAIN
    DON’T ALLOW GOR GOR SPYURKS TO DESTROY HAYASTAN
    DON’T ALLOW THOSE TRAITORS IN AMERIKA/CANADA/EUROPE TO PISS ON HAYASTAN
    SERJ DID GOOD, HE SIGNED PROTOCOLS
    SOON BORDERS WILL OPEN
    AND TRADING SHALL BEGIN ONCE AGAIN
    AND ARMENIA SHALL BREATH ONCE MORE
    I DONT GIVE SHIT ABOUT GENOCIDE
    MY HOMELAND COMES 1ST
    NOT GENOCIDE GENOCIDE GENOCIDE

  35. Hayk said:

    Galat!
    I say do not be so proud to be Turk again,You are most untalented nation in the world.
    70 million people and can not even build your own Nuclear power plant You must be shamed to call you a turk.

  36. Alex Postallian said:

    gelat, or taleg(mongol for LIAR)The true story of the YELLOW STAIN turks in WW1. I will be real slow,I know you wont get it.YELLOW STAIN turks were part of the Axis viz,Germany /Austria.When they were soundly beaten by a EQUAL force of Allies, they turned YELLOW and grovelled,joined the Allies.Thats why they are known as YELLOW STAIN. To correct your lying history in stabbing in the back,ask the GErmans.The Armenians were conscripted,which means stupid,FORCED LABOR,and used mostly for manual labor in Russia,and in YELLOW STAIN turkey.When YELLOW STAIN turkey was beaten,TURNING YELLOW they turned their anger and defeat against the unarmed women,children,old people of the ARMENIANS.Their kind of odds and fight.So I tell people dont get excited when OLD YELLOW STAIN turkey threatens,rants; its just a bluff if its an equal force they will turn YELLOW,unless,of coarse,its unarmed women and children,old people.

  37. Vrej said:

    One day a man goes into town to sell his two dogs a puppy and and the puppy’s mom a passer by asks the man how much for the dogs,the man replies 10 para for the Bitch and 40 para’s for the puppy,the passer by say’s why the puppy is more expensive than the Bitch, should’nt it be the other way around,the man answers she is a bitch but the pup is a son of a bitch,therefore the puppy has more value, these are the people we are dealing with my Armenian friends, Turkey a bastardised country, don’t waist your time with these people, let’s concentrate on how to get our lands back and bring these barbarians to restitue us for the immense dammage they have caused us.

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